Adam 发表于 2008-12-24 00:36:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>kuson_chen</i>在2008-12-16 22:30:00的发言:</b><br/><strong><font size="5">我很想问问,哪位练太极拳,试过接对手奋力的一拳而能粘住对方的拳或手的呢?不是嘴上说的,心里想这样或那样做,而是真正做出来的.</font></strong> </div><br /><p>不要拘泥於是不是沾粘, 是不是太極推手, 有時要看對手功夫. 在相方對陣時, 有所謂 一走, 二迫, 三招架. 招架是第三選擇. 所謂不招不架, 只有一下, 犯了招架, 就有十下, 所以沾粘推手不是一個完整的技擊訓練.</p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>沾粘連隨是練法, 另有一種稱打來勁, 你來我去, 似接非接, 出手連消帶打, 只有一下. 這是一個目標.</p>

kuson_chen 发表于 2008-12-24 21:57:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>Adam</i>在2008-12-24 0:36:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p>不要拘泥於是不是沾粘, 是不是太極推手, 有時要看對手功夫. 在相方對陣時, 有所謂 一走, 二迫, 三招架. 招架是第三選擇. 所謂不招不架, 只有一下, 犯了招架, 就有十下, 所以沾粘推手不是一個完整的技擊訓練.</p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>沾粘連隨是練法, 另有一種稱打來勁, 你來我去, 似接非接, 出手連消帶打, 只有一下. 這是一個目標.</p></div><br /><p><strong><font size="4">这么说,你也不用接手的,只需要用步法就行了,真正打架也没所谓的沾粘啰?</font></strong></p>

Adam 发表于 2008-12-25 08:59:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>kuson_chen</i>在2008-12-24 21:57:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p><strong><font size="4">这么说,你也不用接手的,只需要用步法就行了,真正打架也没所谓的沾粘啰?</font></strong></p></div><br /><p><br /><p class="Web1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"></span></p><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span> </font><br /><p></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">我早期是練外家拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">另有練八卦</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以我的理解不會只從太極拳裡找</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">在接手與未接手是兩種擊功夫</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">未接手時</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">對手可從四面八方攻擊</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳的沾粘就是不想在離手打</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因不能發揮知己知彼的控制</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但一般太極拳都忽略了離手與接手這方面訓練</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">更什的在沾粘連隨處鑽牛角尖</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">拳論上還有一句是</span> <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">忽隱忽現</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">不能永遠都沾粘連隨的</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">在接手與未接手的狀態</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">我稱它為</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">對峙</span><span lang="EN-US">". </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因大家移動大</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">手腳什麼都可攻擊</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以是要控制</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">時間</span><span lang="EN-US">" </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">或稱</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">拍子</span><span lang="EN-US">" </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">或稱</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">時機</span><span lang="EN-US">", "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">空間</span><span lang="EN-US">" </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">或稱</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">距離</span><span lang="EN-US">", "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">位置</span><span lang="EN-US">", "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">位置</span><span lang="EN-US">"</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">是指兩者之間形成的角度</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">通常分為</span> <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">九份</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">上中下</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">大門</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">中門</span><span lang="EN-US">) </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">小門</span><span lang="EN-US">(</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">左右</span><span lang="EN-US">). </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">加起來像</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">九宮格</span><span lang="EN-US">", </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">這些東西在太極系統是沒有的</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因為這些東西是</span><span lang="EN-US"> "</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">戰術</span><span lang="EN-US">" </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">訓練</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以太極拳不是一個完善系統</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但太極拳為什麼評價那麼高</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因在功夫的突破中</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳有著升華的作用</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳訓練內在的感覺系統</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體"><font color="#0000ff">猶如一部精密電腦</font>, 所以</span>美國人售賣戰機</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但不賣那套戰機電腦系統一樣, <font color="#0000ff"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">就是</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">因為它是</span></font><font color="#0000ff">那麼珍貴</font></span><span lang="EN-US">. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">而現在用氣力的太極拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">真的不是太極拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">或是太極拳未入門</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">把優良的電腦系統當開山機械用</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">要擋格一拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">何需拘泥於用不用太極拳的招法呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><font size="4">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">Adam</font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">25 Dec 08.</font></span></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2008-12-25 23:15:01编辑过]</font></div>

taijisanren 发表于 2008-12-25 13:54:00

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><br /><tbody><br /><tr><br /><td></td><br /><td><br /><div id="textstyle_14" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; OVERFLOW: hidden; WORD-BREAK: break-all; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; WORD-WRAP: break-word"><br /><div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>Adam</i>在2008-12-25 8:59:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p><br /><p class="Web1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"></span></p><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span> </font><br /><p></p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以太極拳不是一個完善系統</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但太極拳為什麼評價那麼高</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因在功夫的突破中</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳有著升華的作用</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳訓練內在的感覺系統</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">猶如美國人售賣戰機</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但不賣那套戰機電腦系統一樣</span><span lang="EN-US">. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></span></font></div><br /><p>太极拳内审和外察的功夫都是挺了得的哟.</p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><br/>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>看来ADAM所练的太极拳是“没有电脑的战机”。</p>

红枫叶 发表于 2008-12-25 19:56:00

<font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman"><br /><p align="left">Adam </font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">先生</p><br /><p align="left">请教上中下是否即天地人轴</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">?</p></font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song"><br /><p align="left">上中下,天轴</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">[</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">大门</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">]</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">居中,阴阳门</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">[</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">小门</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">]</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">居左右,分为九份,是否以阴阳变易来找拍位</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">可否略说</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">万分多谢。</p><br /><p align="left">请教小九轴是什么</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">是否伸臂时就已衍生小九轴</font><font face="Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman">?</p></font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song"><br /><p>再次多谢指教。</p></font>

Adam 发表于 2008-12-25 22:46:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>红枫叶</i>在2008-12-25 19:56:00的发言:</b><br/><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?><br /><p align="left">Adam </font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">先生</p><br /><p align="left">请教上中下是否即天地人轴</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>?</p></font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song"><br /><p align="left">上中下,天轴</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>[</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">大门</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>]</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">居中,阴阳门</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>[</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">小门</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>]</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">居左右,分为九份,是否以阴阳变易来找拍位</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">可否略说</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">万分多谢。</p><br /><p align="left">请教小九轴是什么</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>?</font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song">是否伸臂时就已衍生小九轴</font><font face="Times new=" Roman? New?>?</p></font><font lang="ZH-CN" face="MS Song"><br /><p>再次多谢指教。</p></font></div><br /><p>不要想得太複雜, 上中下只是上打頭部, 中打身, 下打腳部. 影左打右, 影上打下. 奇正相生. 就能產生不同變化.</p>

Adam 发表于 2008-12-25 22:50:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>taijisanren</i>在2008-12-25 13:54:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><br /><tbody><br /><tr><br /><td></td><br /><td><br /><div id="textstyle_14" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; OVERFLOW: hidden; WORD-BREAK: break-all; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; WORD-WRAP: break-word"><br /><div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>Adam</i>在2008-12-25 8:59:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p><br /><p class="Web1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"></span></p><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span> </font><br /><p></p><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以太極拳不是一個完善系統</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但太極拳為什麼評價那麼高</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因在功夫的突破中</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳有著升華的作用</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳訓練內在的感覺系統</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體"><font color="#0000ff">猶如一部精密電腦, 所以</font></span>美國人售賣戰機</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但不賣那套戰機電腦系統一樣,&nbsp;<font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">就是</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New="New"&nbsp;&nbsp;Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">因為它是</span></font><font color="#0000ff">那麼珍貴</font><span lang="EN-US">. <o:p></o:p></span></font></font></span></font></p></span></font></div><br /><p>太极拳内审和外察的功夫都是挺了得的哟.</p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br /><p><br/>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>看来ADAM所练的太极拳是“没有电脑的战机”。</p></div><br /><p>謝謝! 修正了.</p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>我真的沒用電腦, 只是用心而已.</p><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2008-12-25 23:16:10编辑过]</font></div>

kuson_chen 发表于 2008-12-26 00:08:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>Adam</i>在2008-12-25 8:59:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p><br /><p class="Web1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"></span></p><font size="4"><span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span> </font><br /><p></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">太極拳的沾粘就是不想在離手打</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">因不能發揮知己知彼的控制</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">但一般太極拳都忽略了離手與接手這方面訓練</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">更什的在沾粘連隨處鑽牛角尖</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">拳論上還有一句是</span> <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">忽隱忽現</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">不能永遠都沾粘連隨的</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial"></span></font>&nbsp;</p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">所以太極拳不是一個完善系統</span><span lang="EN-US">,&nbsp;</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">而現在用氣力的太極拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">真的不是太極拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">或是太極拳未入門</span><span lang="EN-US">.&nbsp;</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><font size="4"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">要擋格一拳</span><span lang="EN-US">, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial">何需拘泥於用不用太極拳的招法呢</span><span lang="EN-US">?</span></font></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p><font size="4">&nbsp;</font></o:p></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">Adam</font></span></p><br /><p class="Web1"><span lang="EN-US"><font size="4">25 Dec 08.</font></span></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2008-12-25 23:15:01编辑过]</font></div></div><br /><p><font size="4">看来你对太极拳的技击有误解,或者对它的技击了解不深(个人认为,不一定对).太极拳用于技击同样和其他拳种一样, 需要特别的训练接拳之类的技巧的. 太极拳的接拳不是要用力挡格来拳的,太极拳的接手就有搬、拦、搂、勾、裹、挂等手法,听上去和外家拳的一样,其实太极拳是以转动来接手,进而粘连对手的,功夫越高,接手越轻.外家拳则大多是直来直去的挡格,都需要用比较大的气力,和太极拳有很大的区别.</font></p><br /><p><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p><br /><p><font size="4">现在的太极拳忽略了这方面的训练,那是因为没越到真正懂的人教而已,并不是太极拳本身没有这方面的训练.</font></p>

Adam 发表于 2008-12-26 01:28:00

<div class="maxcode-quote"><b>以下是引用<i>kuson_chen</i>在2008-12-26 0:08:00的发言:</b><br/><br /><p><font size="4">看来你对太极拳的技击有误解,或者对它的技击了解不深(个人认为,不一定对).太极拳用于技击同样和其他拳种一样, 需要特别的训练接拳之类的技巧的. 太极拳的接拳不是要用力挡格来拳的,太极拳的接手就有搬、拦、搂、勾、裹、挂等手法,听上去和外家拳的一样,其实太极拳是以转动来接手,进而粘连对手的,功夫越高,接手越轻.外家拳则大多是直来直去的挡格,都需要用比较大的气力,和太极拳有很大的区别.</font></p><br /><p><font size="4"></font>&nbsp;</p><br /><p><font size="4">现在的太极拳忽略了这方面的训练,那是因为没越到真正懂的人教而已,并不是太极拳本身没有这方面的训练.</font></p></div><br /><p><font size="5">如果你看過 吳陳比武 想信你不會再存幻想了. </font></p><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2008-12-26 1:30:08编辑过]</font></div>

kuson_chen 发表于 2008-12-26 08:53:00

难道你认为吴的有太极拳的技击成分吗?从头到尾我看到只用上一式搬拦锤, 其他的什么都看不到,&nbsp; 更跟太极拳的技击要求相去甚远,&nbsp; 这怎么能代表呢?
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